so there are 8 in all....they all survived....thanks to J and I.....we had to break open about 4 or 5 sacs...it's kind of a blur! It was a really long night and I should go to bed......so here a few pics and I will take some more close ups soon of the puppies....they are SO CUTE and Shelby is being a great mom....she wasn't a great deliverer....uh hem...if J and I weren't there most would have died but she is a great mommy...she was just a really "new" mom! there are 3 black and white and 5 brown and white...I still haven't counted how many boys and girls! trying to not invade their privacy too much! and keep Faith from picking them up! that is a job in itself!